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This page is about the recording of Title, also known as the Really Long Song. The Really Long Song was a legendary thread on the Elitist Superstructure of DQN, where anonymous posters made up lyrics of a really long song, according to instructions posted in the first post.
We are going to record Title as an album of songs by various artists, every verse as a separate song, then we are going to distribute the album.
Anyone may participate in the project. You do not need to be a regular at DQN, or even have any sort of artistic talent.
If you wish to record something but are not comfortable with editing the wiki yourself, please use this thread to reserve your verse and to distribute it - someone else can edit the wiki for you.
Status of the different parts
>>2-51 First verse.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as GENOCIDE BY BOOMERANGS on 09:48, 18 October 2007 (PDT) - 1
Actual effort went into making it sound listenable, as to not scare away listeners right from the first verse.
>>67-116 Second verse.
RECORDED by ⊂二二二（ ＾ω＾）二二二⊃ 2
>>117-166 Third verse.
RECORDED by »87 as BLACK ANGLE OF DEATH on September 5164, 1993 3
>>167-216 Fourth verse.
RECORDED by »66 on September 5253, 1993 4
>>217-266 Fifth verse.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Dj Over 9000 Royalty-free Breakbeats on 05:03, 3 November 2007 (PDT) - 5
>>268-317 Sixth verse.
RECORDED by »72 as Fuyuhiko Sinatra & his Darling Waifu on September 5162, 1993 6
>>318-367 Seventh verse.
RECORDED by »66 as Not in Employment, Education or Training 7
>>368-417 Eighth verse.
RECORDED by Unregistered. Peanus. 8 V2 because of the volume problem.
>>418-467 Ninth verse.
RECORDED by User:I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Captain Obvious on October 2. Damn it took me almost a month to get around to do it :(
Here's the MP3: 9
>>468-517 Tenth verse.
RESERVED by »66, 11:08, 18 January 2008 (PST)
>>519-568 Eleventh verse.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Microsoft Sam on 19:15, 12 January 2008 (PST) - 10
>>569-600 Bridge 1.
RECORDEDby I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as (・∀・） C O O L <html><small></html>(keep the spaces in the name title)<html></small></html> on 00:31, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
MP3: 11
>>601-650 Twelfth verse.
RECORDED by User:I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Hastunley Miku on October 8.
MP3: 12
>>651-700 Thirteenth verse.
RESERVED by ( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 15:57, 9 October 2007 (PDT)
RECORDED by Extreme DANNIS * the nutloaders * on 11:13, 9 March 2008 (PDT) - 14
>>701-750 Fourteenth verse.
RECORDED by User:I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Double-Barrelled Gunman on October 3.
Note that that the Wikichan version and the actual thread are slightly different. In the wikichan version, the empty posts are mentioned by their caption (i.e. 705 Name: ⊂二二二（ ＾ω＾）二二二⊃ : 1993-09-4742 02:04). I left out the empty posts.
I'm gonna use a different name for each track I make to maximize the DQN level of my participation. This one is released as "Double-Barrelled Gunman" for obvious reasons.
MP3: 15
>>751-800 Fifteenth verse.
RESERVED by ( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 04:31, 22 January 2008 (PST)
RECORDED by —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> as - 19:05, 14 March 2008 (PDT) - 17
>>801-825 Bridge 2.
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<html><s></html>Canceled. See http://iiichan.net/boards/music/res/7026.html#i7881 - Available again.<html></s></html>
>>2-51 First verse encore.
>>117-166 Third verse encore.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as BLACK ANGLE OF DEATH & A BLEACHED GOLF TANK on 12:46, 6 November 2007 (PST) - 20
>>826-875 Sixteenth verse.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Trap Hunk on 11:55, 21 January 2008 (PST) - 21
>>876-925 Seventeenth verse.
RESERVED by »66, 02:23, 29 January 2008 (PST)
66 gave very few updates, so… RECORDED by —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> 01:33, 29 July 2008 (PDT) as ⚠ EMERGENCY GENERIC TECHNO COMMITTEE ⚠
See http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1188328128/337 for details. Will do 10th.
>>926-975 Eighteenth verse.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as THRILLHO on 14:26, 10 November 2007 (PST). 22
Note: the low quality (48kbps) encode is intentional, it's used as a kind of effect to have slight artifacts and overall mangling, so there won't be a higher quality version.
My version sucks. If someone re-do it before the last 3 verses are done, his version will take priority. —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> 11:00, 11 June 2008 (PDT)
>>976-999 Bridge 3.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as Hatsunay Miku on 13:49, 13 December 2007 (PST). Link: 23
>>67-116 Second verse encore.
RECORDED by ⊂二二二（ ＾ω＾）二二二⊃ 24
>>2-26 First verse partial encore (x2).
RECORDED by <html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> on 08:17, 30 January 2008 (PST) - 25
>>1000 Throw.
>>52-66 Chorus.
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN as VIPPER on 16:55, 15 January 2008 (PST) - 28
>>52-66 Chorus (with occasional, repeated shouts of 'lol internet').
RECORDED by I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN, using the throw, as VIPPER vs. ⊂二二二（ ＾ω＾）二二二⊃ on 16:55, 15 January 2008 (PST) - 29
- I think that when we distribute it, we could name this part 'Chorus (with occasional, repeated shouts of "lol internet")' instead of 'Chorus (with occasional, repeated shouts of »1000)', it makes more sense. Also are you OK to go with the modhack version of »1000? Technically I'd say it's the official one since it's the one in the thread. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 01:56, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
- Nobody complained so I did both. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 16:55, 15 January 2008 (PST)
>>518 Last line.
RECORDED by DQN ALL-STARS on 16:31, 5 February 2008 (PST) 30
Miscellaneous notes
Volume
Somebody should Normalize every track at the same volume for the album.
- So far, everyone has distributed only MP3, so it would involve having everyone send the original files to the one responsible for that… Since the album is a compilation of various artists of various skill of various styles, I think it's OK to have differences in volume… but it's true that some of the songs could really use a v2.We sure need at least to make sure that the album flows right. For example the 8th verse, which has like 10dB of headroom! After the 7th, the intro has no presence, and the 9th verse attacks with a loud drum part. —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> 15:09, 1 February 2008 (PST)
- Ok, working on a V2. *Done.*
Opinions about the usage of names
There are many opinions regarding the usage of names right now. How do you feel about the issue? I don't care one way or another, but I think that if some guys want to use names, then everyone should make up one so we don't end up with a weird tracklist with only a few tracks credited to someone. (But OTOH remember that all the music is supposed come only from DQN-Kun) I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 00:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
If anyone is looking for a name to attribute a song to, there's a fairly comprehensive list here. A couple of these are already in use, so double check first.
Keep the original files!
We should keep all our original files, or at the very least, the non-compressed mixdown. We may get some nice ideas, change our mind about some stuff, want to have a standard encode, or whatever… so keeping these files may be useful. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 22:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Resources for people who can't sing
If you can't or don't want to record yourself, you can use speech synth.
Web-based speech-synth tools
- http://www.research.att.com/%7Ettsweb/tts/demo.php - many voices, 300 characters limit, .wav - No longer accepts to read numbers, but they still seem to work if you can spell them out.
- http://vox-machina.net/ Includes every OS X voice, 400 characters limit, .mp3
- http://itcansay.com/?page=reader A shitty male voice, 5000 characters limit, .wav or .mp3
- http://www.ivosoftware.com/ivonaonline.php A pretty natural-sounding female voice, 200 characters limit, .mp3 - try repeating a vowel ("hellooooooooooooo") for an interesting effect
OS X speech synth
Configure the voice in System Preferences > Speech, then run the following script in Script Editor:
say "Under The Moon Loli To Issho" saving to "Users:Your_name_here:Desktop:speech.aiff"
You can use http://vox-machina.net/ to get OS X voices, but you can't configure the speed.
The 7th verse uses many different OS X voices.
Vocaloid 2: Hatsune Miku
See the project thread, there are a few useful posts about getting it to work.
The best example here is the 12th verse
Virtual Singer
Virtual Singer is used in the 6th verse, but it's hard to get it to sound intelligible.
Use a vocoder
You can use a vocoder to cover up a shitty voice. Example in 14th verse.
Release standards
OK, we're probably only a couple months away from release, so let's start thinking about this.
First, we'll need to re-tag everything before release. The following is in part my original proposition, but what is in boldface is the consensus we seem to have reached (or is so damn obvious that nobody would contest, like the fact the album name is 'Title').
- Do not
separate the album on 2 discs (filled evenly). Keep the chorus at the end. Use 'track number' and 'disc number' to order the songs- too complicated - Song title:
- Keep as in the original thread, but remove the dot at the end (Examples: "Eighth verse", "Bridge 1".)
- Replace the title for "Chorus (with occasional, repeated shouts of »1000)" by "Chorus (with occasional, repeated shouts of 'lol internet')"
- '''Album name: Title
- Artist name: keep as is
- Album artist: DQN-kun
- Composer: DQN-kun
- Year: 1993
- Genre: DQN (Looks like it's been confirmed that nobody cares about using this field)
- Comments: keep as is
- Album art embedded
- Lyrics embedded
And as for the filename:
Number - Artist name - Verse (spelled out).mp3
Example: 22 - THRILLHO - Eighteenth verse.mp3
(Since we have SJIS art in artist name, there's no point being shitty-system-friendly by using underscores instead of spaces, right?)
Splitting on 2 discs
- I don't see a point in splitting this up onto multiple "discs" as it's downloaded to begin with. There's no physical product, and my guess is most people will be listening to this on their computer or an ipod or something. Who actually uses CDs anymore?However, if we do split it into disc-length chunks, I strongly recommend denoting this with a three digit track number (e.g. 204, for track 4 of disc 2) rather than with the ID3 "disc number" field. Some not-so-smart players ignore it and all the tracks end up in the wrong order. We can still use it – but don't expect players to care what it says.
- That would just be part of the joke, I thought. But maybe it was a bad idea if it can cause issues for listeners.
- It's fine, and it might be funny to split it onto two "discs" so that the first part is just barely too long to fit on an actual CD.
Genre field
- IMO the genre field should be flexible. This worked well for DQN Electronics #9, and "DQN" isn't DQN enough.
- If we're going this route, should we stick with existing genres label (some programs impose a list) or use whatever we feel like?
- Leave it up to the individual artists?
- It'd be nice to know if there's some sort of comatibility issue to be aware of. For example, in iTunes, that would add junk to the 'browse by genre' view, but I guess people who actually use it tend to re-tag their stuff. Anyway, if we don't impose a genre, I'll change the genre I have set for my songs (Right now it's 'DQN' in all of them) I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN
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Character encoding issues
- ぬるぽ！ here. That tag was written with a tag editor that conforms to the ID3 spec. What MP3 player are you using?
- iTunes 7.6 OS X 10.5.1, it appears as "㙬ã≠—ã™∏ïπ™". Also, the finder interprets it differently: :Image:4th verse in finder.jpg - I generally don't have a problem with most songs with non-latin characters I acquire. I hope we can figure out a way to make it work everywhere. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 21:43, 25 January 2008 (PST)
- I'll put together a test suite with a bunch of different ID3 tag versions and character encodings so we can figure out what works best. (Huh. Who would guess that something actually useful could come from DQN. ;)
- Hey, are you implying that all that quality music won't satisfy a real need from listeners? (Well, at least it gave me an excuse to try out many weird techniques and fun toys) —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html>On a side note does anyone here know what MP3 players are most commonly used in Japan?
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<HTML><dd></HTML>I volunteer to apply proper, uniform tags to each file, including cover art and all kinds of other whacky ID3 nonsense if we so choose: embedded lyrics, URL fields linking to the relevant posts in the thread, various other obscurities, etc. Although, the ID3 spec sucks and a lot of apps don't read tags with alternate charsets correctly. (Side note: What shitty systems don't support spaces in filenames in this day and age?!)
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<HTML><dd></HTML>We're definitely not gonna drop the weird unicode characters from the artist names, so there's nothing we can do, I think.
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<HTML><dd></HTML>I kinda remember that album art embedded with itunes doesn't work anywhere else (not really sure, I ran into that issue long ago). Whoever packs the relases will have to make sure it works.<HTML></dd></HTML><HTML></dl></HTML>
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<HTML><dd></HTML>Also, I can provide hosting for all of this, and can assemble and seed a torrent for it as well. (All I require is that the product must be truly DQN quality, no imitations accepted.)
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<HTML><dd></HTML>I remember seeing a post somewhere about designing the cover art. It had something to do with a loli and moon and mittens… but can't find the post again.
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Tags to change before release
Use this to request small changes without having to release a new version of the file.
| Verse | Changes |
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| Every verse | Verify the character encoding in the artist name. (⊂二二二（ ＾ω＾）二二二⊃'s and ぬるぽ！'s verses appear corrupted) |
| 7th verse | Set name to "Not in Employment, Education or Training" instead of "N.E.E.T.". Move "Squeeksand Mix" to the comments field. |
| 11th verse | Add in comment field: "Made on a Mac" |
| 12th verse | Add in comment field: "Not related to Hatsunay Miku" |
| 14th verse | Add in comment field: "Let me just make this clear, don't fire both guns at the same time, but one by one simultaneously! That's the basic skill of a double barrelled gunman." |
| 16th verse | Add in comment field: "i wish to be the little girl" |
| 18th verse | Add in comment field: "— UNREGISTERED VERSION — Please support shareware! Unlock encoding up to 128kbps for only $19.95 TODAY!" |
| Bridge 3 | Add in comment field: "Not related to Hastunley Miku" |
Cover artwork
Here's my album cover proposition. I'm sure someone can do better. Ask me to upload the PSD if you want to take some stuff from it (not gonna upload a 43MB file unless requested) :
(Downscaled, click for enlargement.)
Also, if we're gonna use this one, what name do you want to use?
- Someone in the thread said that 'DQN-kun and the elitist superstructure of DQN' is too redundant, and proposed 'DQN-kun and the elitist superstructure'.
- I feel like we shouldn't shorten the name "The Elitist Superstructure of DQN". If we don't keep as is, I think we could either move it at the top as "The Elitist Superstructure of DQN presents" or add it as a sort of logo at the bottom.
- We need to have the name 'DQN-kun' prominently on the cover, I guess we can all agree on that one.
- Maybe we should have a larger "DQN-kun presents:" or just "DQN-kun" above "Title," and then somewhere else, maybe the bottom, write "Affiliated with the Elitist Superstructure of DQN" or just "The Elitist Superstructure of DQN" or something similar.
- 2nd vote for "Affiliated with".
Would something like this be better?
- Cool, now the back cover of the album will have to be updated when every track will be posted.
- lol no
The last 5 parts
We're still awaiting a status update from the people who reserved the last 5 parts to confirm they didn't forget. See 31 (the usual thread).
We had an update from 66 (10th and 17th) and User:93rdk (bridge 2), but nothing from User:( ﾟ ヮﾟ) (13th and 15th). I annoyed people about it on /dqn/, /music/, iiichan, and his talk page, since about 10 days. Unfortunately he hasn't set up an e-mail address or isn't allowing others to send him mail in his wiki profile. If there's no reply in a week, I'll mark his verses as available again. —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> 18:26, 29 February 2008 (PST)
- Update: A new person has reserved 15 and verse 13 has been recorded by somebody else.
The last 3 parts
66 (4th, 7th, 10th, 17th) has confirmed he's still on the 10th and 17th 32
<html><s></html>We're still waiting for a word of 93rdk (Bridge 2). If he desists, »87 (3rd, 1st encore 1) or Extreme DANNIS * the nutloaders * (13th) may want to take it. —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> 06:24, 5 May 2008 (PDT)<html></s></html>
- Still on it.
The last 2 parts (lol)
66 didn't reply in ages. We can't wait forever so I've done both and I'm preparing the release. —<html><small></html>IAAPMOTESOD<html></small></html> 08:20, 30 July 2008 (PDT)
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